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National Watch Company (Elgin) 1864-1964 Elgin, Illinois. Idea originated from other watch factory employees, mainly Waltham; formed in 1864 along with the former Mayor of Chicago (B. W. Raymond) and the first watch produced was an 18s gilt KW signed B.W. Raymond. Watch numbers started at 101. The Elgin Watch Company, Elgin, Illinois was the largest watch producer in America.

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This is ser.#1731 marked H.Z. Culver. There is a presentation inscription on the top of the inside movement cover to: Geo. D. Barnard From HIS FRIENDS WITH Culver Page & Hoyne November 22nd 1867.
Any comments on the correctness of this watch or noted switches that you can see will be appreciated. Also any comments or information on the inscription will be welcomed.
Thanks in advance to all.
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sounds great--check the case screw marks for monkeying around!
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I cannot see any other case screw marks. I also just loaded a picture of the outside of the case.
What causes the dark discoloration spots on the movement?
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Cool inscription! Culver, Page & Hoyne was a noted stationer/bookbinder/printer/seller of fine writing implements, located on Lake Street in Chicago.

I've wondered if the Culver of this firm was the same as the Howard Culver who was an original investor and Vice Pres. of the National Watch Co. If so, it's a great connection to your watch.
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John,

I believe you are right. In the book, "Elgin Time: A History of the Elgin National Watch Co." there is a reference to Howard Zoroaster Culver. It states that he was one of the original 8 investors and owned a successful stationery and printing business. Very cool connection!

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Thanks John & Jack,
Very interesting information and history. Am I reaching to far to ask if you have any idea who Geo. D. Barnard is?
I am greatful for any information and history I can find on any item I collect.
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Dave, I did a quick run through the various geneaological references I have, and came across a number of references to "Geo. D. Barnard & Co." (or, variously, "Geo. D. Barnard Manufacturing Co." or "Geo. D. Barnard Stationary Co.") of St. Louis, Mo., but nothing on the history of the company or the individual. Still, the coincidence is striking.
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George D. Barnard Presentation watch
National Watch Co.
H.Z. Culver

On August 27, 1864, a company was incorporated under the name of "The National Watch Company" of Chicago, Illinois, with a capitol of $100,000. The incorporators were:
Philo Carpenter
Howard Z. Culver
Benjamin W. Raymond
Geo. M. Wheeler
Thomas S. Dickerson
Edward H. Williams
W. Robbins
It was decided that the factory would be located in Elgin, Ill. and was completed in 1866. The first watch produced was an 18 size B.W. Raymond movement in April of 1867.
On July 16, 1867, a new watch was turned out and the movement was named the H. Z. Culver and began with serial number 1001.
This watch is a National Watch Co. watch, serial number 1731, H. Z. Culver movement, key wind & set, 15 jewel, 18 size, manufactured in 1867. It is housed in a coin silver hunting case with a presentation inscription on the cuvette ( interior dust cover). This is where the "historical significance" begins. The inscription reads:
Geo. D. Barnard
From
HIS FRIENDS
With
Culver, Page & Hoyne
NOVEMBER 22ND 1867
The Honored Recipient:
Geo. D. Barnard, born Oct. 6, 1846 in Bedford, Mass., commenced in the stationary business in 1860, went to St. Louis in 1868 and clerked in a manufacturing stationary house until 1872, when he started in the stationary business. When his two partners died the company was incorporated as Geo. D. Barnard & Co., of which he is president, also vice-president of Art Metal Construction Co., VP of Embree-McLean Carriage Co., and past-VP of the Merchants Exchange.
The Friends:
Culver, Page & Hoyne
Culver, Page, Hoyne & Co. were also Lithographers, Manufacturing Stationers in Chicago, Ill. In The New York Times dated Oct. 30, 1883 is an article titled An Old Firm Retires. It talks about the successes & difficulties of the Culver, Page, Hoyne & Co. beginning business in 1856 and was the oldest & largest business of its kind in the city. The original members were H.Z. Culver and D.W. Page who bought out a stationer named Stacy. Six months afterward, M.A. Hoyne was taken in and the name was changed to Culver, Page & Hoyne.
I believe that the Culver in this inscription on this watch is the same Howard Z. Culver, one of the original investors of The National Watch Co.
On May 12, 1874 the stockholders had a meeting and it was decided to change the name of the company to The Elgin National Watch Co.
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